Some progress...

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Originally Posted by sup-rbeast

IMO, our founding fathers wrote the Constitution and the Bill of Rights to suit the world they lived in..and the burdens they had to bear under England's rule. I do think they tried to write a far-sighted document that would endure the test of time...but at the same time I don't think they wanted to protect something in the Bill of Rights that was more harmful to the country than good.

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You know this EXACT SAME argument could be made for Bush's warentless wire-taps.

That's true...so wonder why the exact constituants who were ok with the wire taps are the first to whine and cry over guns?

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Originally Posted by sup-rbeast

That's true...so wonder why the exact constituants who were ok with the wire taps are the first to whine and cry over guns?

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I Was/Am anti both........I wonder why you are OK with one and not the other?

It's common sense...unregulated guns kill..wire taps don't.

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Originally Posted by sup-rbeast

It's common sense...unregulated guns kill..wire taps don't.

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I give up on you........ there is no small freedom and it is my opinion that the one you want to see infringed is the very one that ensures the others. And you said yourself that you can't see how the (R)s could be OK with wiretaps and not with infringing on arms where the the oppisit is equily true for the (D)s

What is you stance on carrying knifes?

Here is a story out of GB

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Originally Posted by Counts

Knife crime in Britain is a political hot topic due to a spate of recent killings of mainly young people in major cities. UK Prime Minister Gordon Brown has urged tougher sentences for those caught carrying knives. He told the Daily Telegraph last month: "By carrying a knife you are not only endangering the lives of others, but you are more likely to be killed, or end up in jail.

"We need to change the way young people think about knives, we need families and communities working together ... to get this message across and help stamp out knife crime and get weapons off our streets."

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Man guilty of killing 'Harry Potter' actor - CNN.com

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Originally Posted by Counts

I give up on you........ there is no small freedom and it is my opinion that the one you want to see infringed is the very one that ensures the others. And you said yourself that you can't see how the (R)s could be OK with wiretaps and not with infringing on arms where the the oppisit is equily true for the (D)s

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It ain't the beast that needs giving up on. If you can't see the difference between a gun and a wire tap...who really has the blinders on. And ain't it grand that some had the good sense not to buy into the Bush plan to dump SS for 401ks.

As long as there are republicans and democrats in our government there will never be any common ground between the two. Their too tied up with arguing with each other just because they belong to different partys. We don't need a political party, we need a government for the people not a government for the (R)s or (D)s. The thing about the wire taps is an infringement on our right of privacy. It was supposed to be for listening in on terrorist conversations I guess but I sure they would abuse it for other reasons. On the topic of gun bans IMO a person could use anything for a weapon(sticks, rocks, alcohol consumption, and so on). If the people that were doing the killing or a$$alting of others were punished properly, maybe it might help. But as long as they have more rights than law abiding citizens things will probably never change.

Also on the gun banning, it would take away from the law adiding citizens and boost up the ones doing the crimes. So how would this gun banning make me more secure in my home than I am now? I would be at the attackers mercy bercause I would not have a weapon to protect my family. At least now I do have a chance to protect my family but if more gun bans are continued to grow then who knows what a body would have to use to protect themselves. What it comes down to is if the government can disarm the american citizens then we would be easyer to handle for them do what they wish with us. Alot of this seems harsh and far fetched but we must beware of what can happen. It has happened before and it can happen again. Its better to be prepared for circumstances involving the breaking entering of a home or business than to be caught empty handed. Think about it , a man comes into your home and demands money and valuables and when you've given them to him he decides he wants your wife or daughter, what can you do but scream at him or beg him to not harm them. He's got a gun and you don't, so what will probably happen is your shot and he also takes his spoils. Its just alot to think about. Times has changed so much its doubtful it will ever be any better, we can hope and pray it gets better. The thing is we the citizens need to contact our government officials to tell them how we feel about the different things their voting on. Let them know that its us that they are in there for not for their political ego. Let your voices be heard through our freedom and liberty before we lose that right.

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Originally Posted by simple man

It ain't the beast that needs giving up on. If you can't see the difference between a gun and a wire tap...who really has the blinders on. And ain't it grand that some had the good sense not to buy into the Bush plan to dump SS for 401ks.

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Some of you guys will happly walk into the gas chamber LOL A right is a right and if you are willing to give up one do not be suprised when they take 5 more away for good measure

IMHO SS is screwed no matter what and how is it related to the current issue anyway?